Tom welcomes his pastor to the show! Fred shares some tales from a recent road trip with his mom and unpacks his call to ministry, including how he never expected to be a lead pastor. He also describes his “coming in” story: his first interactions with gay people going all the way back to high school and college, and also his learning about “Side B” gay/SSA people in the church. What advice would Fred give to anyone listening who has never come out to a pastor before?

It’s a special follow-up to Tom’s appearance on the Fellowship Asheville ConvoCast last month as Fred now joins the only other ConvoCast on the Internet!

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